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LudebOye
02-12-2002, 10:14 PM
HEy guys ive been looking long to find ppl from toronto area who own preludes... im 17 gettin my g2 next months 1st and i got some questionss...ok i die for Srv's but i recently changed my mind and i cant make it up :( ppl tell me that since im 17 and my insurance is going to be under my name not my moms or dad's i should buy the Si version and later collect some cash and swap for a JDM but i dont know how this works. first of all if i buy a Si what will be the best year im looking around the 11,000 price range canadian lol... i worked my ass off for this car im dropped out of skool right now for this semester cause i wanted to work full time and make money for this car... and i wanna kno what kind of insurance money im lookin foward to pay?? and is there a way i could pay monthly for the car im willing to put like 3000 down after that ill have to work on monthly checks... k guys heres the major question I relly wanted the h22a so i want to kno what all will i have to go throguth to replace the si's with the JDM and isint there a left hand drive and right hand drive conflict? how much will a JDM cost me? in canada and where in canada can i order it from... im also wondering what more does the SRV have that the Si dosent except the Engine and leather??? what about power antenna, and heated mirror and bucket seats? do si's have bucket seats at the back too? and the front?/? please clear up this for me before i go and spend all my money on the baby im buyin car in MAy so ill join u guys as soon as i BUy IT and start meeting ppl gettins tips n stuff lol thanxxx HOpe u GUYZ hAVe a WIKEdd Ass dat lAttoOZz!!! []Deace \/
phatz
02-12-2002, 10:27 PM
Get a prelude S model. Dirt cheap on insurance, and you can get them dirt cheap! Then swap a JDM H22 motor/trans when you get the money. Thats the best way IMO. Just make sure the BODY is in good condition,
Falcon147
02-12-2002, 10:32 PM
New there soon to be member...
First off ... it's not going to matter much which you buy insurance wise... number one you are 17... with a G2 and you are buying a sports car, 2 doors and u are going to get raped... Figure this out... I own a 1991 prelude... No Vtec and i am paying a bundle on insurance and it insured under my mom... you are going to be looking at 4 grand a year insurance by yourself so think about that :( Not to bash you of anything but why would you drop out of school for a car anyways... This is my philosopy think of it as you will... STAY IN SCHOOL :) forget about the car and buy a CIVIC tehe..
I am 21 and I could easily sell my car and have enough money for an SRV but why I love it... and even though it dosent get the respect that it deserves because it's a lowly 3rd gen ? I wouldnt trade it in... 109 k kms with the last 20 k done by me...Super condition... NO CAR PAYMENTS.. NO PROBLEMS... and ALOT of money left over for MODS...I will probably have my car for another 4-5 years before i sell it :)
BTW you probably looking at 16-18 for an SRV and 3-5 grand for a Vtec engine .
phatz
02-12-2002, 10:41 PM
buy an 89 civic and slap a b18 motor in it! Then you dont even have 2 worry about type-r's, well maye some of them :)
LudebOye
02-12-2002, 10:42 PM
UmMM ok since u told me to buy a civic i have been crying i waste my moms whole clinix box wiping my tears SNiff SnoBBb** :sad: :sad: why would u relate me to civics !! nyways im guna go for the SI i dont care about insurance i wen this far for this car ill go further...i just want to know what all changes im lookin at puttin the JDm in??!? anyone who sells em in canada? will i have to change my trans too?? and about the redline dont the si's read their redlines at 6000 something? will i have to change the guages too stoopid q but had to ask before i go and put my money into it :confused:
LudebOye
02-12-2002, 10:43 PM
why wont my sig show?:confused:
Grant
02-12-2002, 10:50 PM
Guy don't drop out of school just to buy a car - that's insane...
Stay in school and get a good job and eventually buy an even better car than the Prelude....
Delayed Gratification - it's worth it at every level ... B)
Keith
02-12-2002, 10:52 PM
Does anybody else's eyes hurt when you try to read his posts?:omg:
Falcon147
02-12-2002, 11:07 PM
Originally posted by Grant
Guy don't drop out of school just to buy a car - that's insane...
Stay in school and get a good job and eventually buy an even better car than the Prelude....
Delayed Gratification - it's worth it at every level ... B)
Exactly Delayed Gratification.. Thats what i mean... Wait till I get my next car... can someone say TURBO
bakchoi
02-12-2002, 11:16 PM
i agree with grant. get back in school and don't worry about a car until later on. a car's gonna last you 10 years max. an education lasts you a lifetime and gives you the opportunity to get whatever car you want. why settle for a lude now when you can have an nsx in a few years? :thumbup:
but if you do plan on paying for insurance by yourself i hope you have either one hell of a good paying job cuz i'm paying close to $6000 a year and i'm 19 and under my mom's corolla. if i was under the lude i'd be going through KY like no tomorrow! :D
phatz
02-12-2002, 11:30 PM
I say civic because its cheap. TONNES of aftermarket USED parts for cheap. Also tonnes in the scap yard 2 get parts from. Also its CHEAP and with a Swap you can make it real fast! If I was in highschool and i was on a budget, this would be my choice. 89/90/91 Civic DX. Dirt cheap on insurance! Some people would say "dont swap cuz then if u crash it and insurance finds out, bla bla bla" but its up 2 you. Again it depends what you want! I know when I was in highschool I wanted SPEED, I did not care about how my car looked, I just needed a FASt car 2 smoke the guys vette in my school. So whatever, its up 2 you.
Well first of all why don't we ask him what job he has...say he's that dude that owned the online pr0n company, I doubt we'll tell him to go back to school except for oh recreation.
Ok.... I'm not being pessismistic, but how are your driving skills. When I first got my car I smashed it up big time. Are you willing to risk smashing up a car you worked so hard for? I'm just saying what if.
No matter what your insurance is going to be high....no matter what. Between a S that you're looking at versus SRV, I doubt there's gonna be much difference. Now that brings us to the cost of the car. With $11,000 I honestly can say you won't be able to buy a SRV. The market demand is too high with low supply. You might be lucky to find a S for that price. With that I do agree you should get just the S. You can save up your money and like your friend says do an engine swap for a JDM engine. That's what your friend meant by JDM, not the left hand right hand drive thing you're talking about.
I dunno the interior option on the 4th gen but why don't u just go car hunting and you'll be able to see for yourself. Isn't the best part of a car besides driving one is shopping for one?
With that you better look at long term budgetting including gas, maintenance, insurance, licensing fees, emission tests, and depreciation of the car.
phatz
02-12-2002, 11:46 PM
Dont worry about power and smashing it. Just be smart and take it easy. When I was 16 I had a 80 Cutlass with a 350hp motor in it and 3.73 gears 2 top it off. Also I was driving my brothers GrandNational all the time. You just have 2 understand how the car reacts 2 the power. That would be my last concern.
Jarek
02-12-2002, 11:53 PM
Is there a difference in suspension between the 4th gen S and Si? Also what about interior features? S had steel wheels, smaller brakes also right? If the insurance difference is not that much, get the Si and save up for a H22a swap. That would probably cost $3-4 K.
Lude_Behaviour
02-13-2002, 02:06 AM
My first car was a civic and I was satisfied with it. If you want more power swap in an engine. Also, since you are a new and presumably inexperienced driver you may run into the odd fender bender which could put you on the brink of financial ruin. You want to own the car not for the car to own you. :thumbup:
Alot of people on this board are older, have finished school, and work so they can afford there cars. Or else, there from scarborough or markham and there daddy and mommy bought it for them. :D
In any case stay in school and buy something where you won't have to make payments on it. You have enough things to worry about while going to school besides making car payments. The car will eventually rust and be a ruin but your education will last you a lifetime.
Originally posted by Keith
Does anybody else's eyes hurt when you try to read his posts?:omg:
Hell yeah...I couldn't get through the whole thing.
Jen: do you think that a 17 year old with a successful porn site shouldn't go to school?...School's about a lot more than getting a good job or money...it's about maturing and growing as a person...pushing yourself and learning new things.
LudebOye
02-13-2002, 02:31 AM
lol OMG ;) EVEryones Redy to BEAT me up :S k i DONt own a POrn company n skool kicked me out for only this semester lol n dey said work n come bak nex year i said OKie um n im workin at Radio shack lololol i make around 1200 a month full time i did driving school so he said we get some 3 stars on insurance so they will charge us insurance thinkking we have 3 years of experience im a good driver ive been driving for quite a while now never crashed or even bumped anywhere i coulg get a 92 si for 6000$ from this guy its black 5 speed the only thing is it has 187 clicks on it but im guna swap the engine anyways right anyone who can give me idea on how much insurance is it guna be? my dad is willing to pay half of my insurance but ill have to buy the car run gas n pay off my car.... guys i would never buy any car over a lude u dont understand how much i love em nsx can jus sux it id pik lude nyday over anything except a supra tt das my dream car i wish to own when im about 25 and pass the lude on to my younger bro nywaays thanx for ur sopport n punking :confused: lol i STILL WISH to JOIN THIS CLUB im not GIVINg uPPp LUDEEEE FOR LIFEEE *JUMPS IN AIR UP AND DOWN* LUDEE FOR LIFEEEE :D :D :D
LudebOye
02-13-2002, 02:32 AM
n UMM i dont like the 5th gen ludess i dono whyy so il change that a bitt *4TH GEN LUDEe FOR LIFEEEE*** :D :thumbup:
Originally posted by LudebOye
n UMM i dont like the 5th gen ludess i dono whyy so il change that a bitt *4TH GEN LUDEe FOR LIFEEEE*** :D :thumbup:
Oh NOW your gonna get punked...j/k
I wasn't beating you up at all...I wasn't referring to YOU as the 17 yr old owning a porn site There actually is some rich 17 yr old kid out there who made a killing from it. I simply suggested to Jen that the rich kid should still finish school regardless.
I have to ask, why do you type like that? It's soooo much more difficult to read and I'm sure that it takes some kind of effort to do.
LudebOye
02-13-2002, 03:12 AM
tYPE lIKE WHAt? oOO i got A iDea Um My MOM HAs A CoroLla anD uM cANt I go UNder thE coROlla and Put MY moM Under thE pRelUDe? WOuLD tHAT Help?
LudebOye
02-13-2002, 03:14 AM
Hey Guys can I Ask U A q? whATS tHE diFF BETWEen A SR and a Si?!??! Does thE Si have BUcket SEats front ANd BAck?? thats what i WAnt
Ok I have a headache really from reading that now. I just had my midterm too.
No I don't mean that a 17 yr old with a successful porn site should skip out on school, i like school but there's more to life is a school on it's own and school is just a place where people deem the facts are provided in a non biased way (my ass).
Anyways I just suggest that you have the car under the insurance policy for the whole family. That way you can say you're the principal driver of the corolla instead of the prelude. I dunno how much this will save you since I didn't do that.
Aren't all interiors the same? Only difference if it's leather or not?
Jarek
02-13-2002, 10:53 AM
Originally posted by LudebOye
Hey Guys can I Ask U A q? whATS tHE diFF BETWEen A SR and a Si?!??! Does thE Si have BUcket SEats front ANd BAck?? thats what i WAnt
Sorry that's my fault, I mean SR. There are three different models S, SR and SR-V.
Look guys can someone just outline what the differences are between the S and SR and how much it would cost for an H22a swap? Forget the advice, he'll do what he wants.
The only thing I know for sure is that the S has smaller brakes and steel wheels.
Grant
02-13-2002, 11:10 AM
:rolleyes:
GeEEZ Ya THikK youSE CuLD TiPE LiKe nORmAL pEEples. We'S GotS Alot OF StUfFs 2 tRiE 2 ReEd N'd Dis ReaLLy TakEs 2 mUch F4rt To DiCi4... $@.*:LOLOLOLHAHAHLOLO!!!?@!
:confused:
Keith
02-13-2002, 11:16 AM
Originally posted by Grant
:rolleyes:
GeEEZ Ya THikK youSE CuLD TiPE LiKe nORmAL pEEples. We'S GotS Alot OF StUfFs 2 tRiE 2 ReEd N'd Dis ReaLLy TakEs 2 mUch F4rt To DiCi4... $@.*:LOLOLOLHAHAHLOLO!!!?@!
:confused:
:confused: - as much as I would like you to join the TPC, there are typing and spelling requirements...
Grant
02-13-2002, 11:30 AM
Originally posted by Keith
:confused: - as much as I would like you to join the TPC, there are typing and spelling requirements...
yOmAN.... Du U noE hOw HaRd iT is 2 TiPe LiK DiS ??!?!? Lol ?! :rolleyes: lol :confused:
Originally posted by Grant
yOmAN.... Du U noE hOw HaRd iT is 2 TiPe LiK DiS ??!?!? Lol ?! :rolleyes: lol :confused:
BWAHAHAHAHAHAA!!!
That is toooooo frickin' funny!!
crazykid
02-13-2002, 12:31 PM
really??? a spelling and gramar test??? uh oh i better study for this one too...
i have enough trouble typing normal let alone all wacked liek that:D :D
get the SR, the H22 drops in with little work, im not a mechanical inclined person ( hell i had to ask how to put the tires on one time ) and i put the motor in and it runs fine... and works good....
and whats wrong with owning a porn site???? hahaha
Nothing wrong, I want to own a porn site. It's be call xxxpreludexxx.com and a spy camera will be mounted in selected members' cars. Anyway wow bill look how your typing has improved under scrutiny.:thumbup:
LudebOye
02-13-2002, 01:09 PM
AHhHHh u PPl r ALWeDyy MAnkkIN fuNn OFf mEEhh :sad:
Keith
02-13-2002, 01:16 PM
Sorry dude, you don't need us to make fun of you!
Everytime I see your threads, I picture a monkey keying the keyboard and constantly hitting the caps lock button on... no offence buddy but my cat can type better than you can! ;)
We pick on everybody and everybody gets picked on. It's all just for jokes.
But honestly is it because you type really fast that the result is like that or ummmmm you are doing everything phonetically?? CUs it"S dMan hArD foR mEEh oT tyEPe leAKee thEEse
Jarek
02-13-2002, 01:18 PM
Originally posted by LudebOye
AHhHHh u PPl r ALWeDyy MAnkkIN fuNn OFf mEEhh :sad:
Well typing like that, you are asking for it. :D Don't take it personally though, we're just a bunch of old sarcastic farts, you'll get used to it. Myself being thirty, I admit I don't understand why anyone would like to type like that, it looks so hard to do and so hard to read.. :(
Jen, next time we drive to Kitchener, you're welcome to put a camera in my car.. :thumbup: bup bup!
LudebOye
02-13-2002, 01:20 PM
UMmm k SOO DAs WHYY u were makin fun OF meee ok OK il stop typing like that n i dun press caps lock its just a habbit of press and leetting go SHift KEy while typing n no ur cat type better den mehh :P :peace:
LudebOye
02-13-2002, 01:22 PM
YES YES put a cAMera in my LUDEE toooo hopefully ill get one by may HEHEHEH iM SO HAPPY LOLOLOLOL ;) :D :devil: B) :thumbup: :rolleyes:
Satan_SRV
02-13-2002, 01:31 PM
Originally posted by LudebOye
AHhHHh u PPl r ALWeDyy MAnkkIN fuNn OFf mEEhh :sad:
Dude...let me make this clear. We are not making fun of you. But you have to realize that all we know about you is what you write. And when you type liKE ThIIISSssS it is very difficult to read, and for me personally anyways, I am reluctant to help someone that can't communicate what the need in an intelligent manner.
I am sure you make perfect sense in person; but over the internet, I can't be bothered to sort through what you're trying to say. Just leaving your finger off the shift key when you type would be a big improvement. You're 17, you know how to spell and form rational sentences, so do it.
We're here to help you man, but you've got to communicate what you want better. Hell, you can e-mail your post first and I can edit and post it for you. Send it to satan_srv@hotmail.com if you want, and I can hook you up.
Peace
Keith
02-13-2002, 02:08 PM
Maybe I should start a group buy on "Hooked on Phonics" packages for him...
bakchoi
02-13-2002, 03:11 PM
ludeboye, just a few friendly suggestions for typing cuz i look at this page at work on a REALLY small font so i won't get in trouble and it's already hard enough to see my own writing =P
-leave the asian avenue talk on asian avenue. there arent that many asian/black thugs here that can interpret all of what you say.... well, beside azianRyceBoi and grant :D and get the crack-smoking hamster off of the caps lock too :thumbsup:
-use periods. i read messages out loud and start to get light headed when i read yours
if you are getting an S, don't be expecting more power cuz your mom's corolla has the same amount. oh yah, just some quick math:
assuming insurance is $7000 for you (say you go under your mom's corolla like i'm doing right now) and you're making $1200 a month (i think that's right... correct me if i'm wrong tho! :D)
then
$7000 / $12000 = 5.83333333 months. or 6 months.
so that's 6 months of work JUST to pay off insurance. ouch.
let's say you use 30 bux of gas a week (i don't know the mileage for an S or SR so this is for a VERY conservative SRV).
$30 x 52 = $1562 per year
so gas and insurance is gonna cost you 7 months of pay per year. ouch.
XxXPreludeXxX
02-13-2002, 05:25 PM
Originally posted by Keith
Maybe I should start a group buy on "Hooked on Phonics" packages for him...
HoKWeD on FoNiX WeRk'd 4 meE!
Frosty
02-13-2002, 06:29 PM
yow dread ur 17... huh.. u shouldnt of taken a half semester off.. take it from a guy who knows...i got booted out for 6 months now i am screwed..
you might get caught in the new system for education..
LudebOye
02-13-2002, 07:08 PM
Insurqance Under mY moMS corolla is guna be 7000?!??! NO Way last time i called and check the lowest rate i got for me is 3500$ per year on the Prelude Si 1992 i belives it will be lower if i put my mom on the prelude and me myself on the corolla wouldnt it be? im makin 1200 full time right now but as soon as i join skool its guna cut down to umm say 600 per month lol
Keith
02-13-2002, 07:10 PM
Originally posted by LudebOye
Insurqance Under mY moMS corolla is guna be 7000?!??! NO Way last time i called and check the lowest rate i got for me is 3500$ per year on the Prelude Si 1992 i belives it will be lower if i put my mom on the prelude and me myself on the corolla wouldnt it be? im makin 1200 full time right now but as soon as i join skool its guna cut down to umm say 600 per month lol
dude, I didn't even read what you wrote but your typing is getting much better! :thumbup: now, just work on the spelling.....;)
Originally posted by LudebOye
Insurqance Under mY moMS corolla is guna be 7000?!??! NO Way last time i called and check the lowest rate i got for me is 3500$ per year on the Prelude Si 1992 i belives it will be lower if i put my mom on the prelude and me myself on the corolla wouldnt it be? im makin 1200 full time right now but as soon as i join skool its guna cut down to umm say 600 per month lol
Assuming that will be the case you will still be spending about 7 month of your pay cheque a year on gas and insurance. You'll be just eating a loaf of bread a day like someone i know, the budget only allowed $1 on food and he goes to some street races some times but can't afford a far location and to race more than once or twice cuz he can't afford the gas. It's just sad I'm telling ya. And is that pay before or after taxes? Since you're not a full time student right now you have different tax exemptions than full time students. Watch out for that too.
bakchoi
02-13-2002, 10:59 PM
Originally posted by LudebOye
Insurqance Under mY moMS corolla is guna be 7000?!??! NO Way last time i called and check the lowest rate i got for me is 3500$ per year on the Prelude Si 1992 i belives it will be lower if i put my mom on the prelude and me myself on the corolla wouldnt it be? im makin 1200 full time right now but as soon as i join skool its guna cut down to umm say 600 per month lol
was that 3500 a year or for half a year? insurance companies sometimes try to screw around with your head like that...
you're right about it being cheaper. like i said, right now i'm doing the same thing. i'm under the corolla and my mom's under the lude but i'm still paying an insane amount of money for insurance.
also, you haven't even gotten your G2 yet. worry about getting that first. afterwards get used to driving in the corolla before you attempt to buy your own car. having not enough money for insurance is already not good... getting into an accident with no money to pay for the deductible is even worse
Lude_Behaviour
02-14-2002, 01:53 AM
Why don't you just let your mother be principle driver on both cars? She can tell the insurance company that one car is for work the other for Sunday drives to church. I use to do this a few years backwhen I was in highschool and my first 2 years of University. My father insured both my lude and his pontiac. There was no problems until after about 4 years I got into an accident with the lude and it was my fault. Insurance paid the claim but raised deductibles and gave us an ultimatum: either I sign a clause stating I cannot drive any of my dads cars or I must be added to the insurance.
I decided to change the ownership of the lude to my own name and have insurance on my own. Mind you it was more expensive in the beginning as I had never owned insurance but I still avoided paying alot in my teen years where money was harder to come by. This will work 100%, why let the insurance company rape you if you can avoid it.
Problem solved :thumbup:
LudebOye
02-14-2002, 03:12 AM
HEYY ur MAII BESTT bUDydyyY EHEHHEE *HUGzZ** daym someone Puttin my idea on the Positive side im g oing to talk to my mom how much would her insurace on the lude be she has a clean record and shes 45 years old. but i need to clear something up if im not on the insurance on the lude and say someone steals it while its in a mall parking lot and i was the driver wouldnt the insurace back off? and not pay for it or say it got scratched while in the lot???! or something
stolen is stolen, scratched is scratch, doesn't matter who drives it unless it was the thief. What if it was stolen on your driveway at home? The insurance company is gonna ask who drove the car last? I don't think so~!
BB1-4WS
02-14-2002, 09:58 AM
Take a close look at the insurance policy first. Some companies actually won't covered male drivers under the age of 25, if they're name isn't included under the policy.
Now if you excuse me, I'm gonna go take some Tylenol. I got a headache from trying to read most of LudebOye's posts.
bakchoi
02-14-2002, 11:09 AM
hehe.. i feel kidna bad busting your bubble all the time, but most insurance companies won't allow one person to be insured under multiple cars if there is someone else in the household that is able to drive.
for example if your mom was insured under both the lude and corolla and you're the only other driver, then you would have to be insured under one of those cars. if you had another driver in the house like your dad and he wasn't under another car, then you could have him under the lude and you as an occasional on the cars. so basically if you have 2 cars and 2 people, you're under one of them no matter what. if you have 3 people and 2 cars then you don't have to be the primary driver for either.
my sister finally got her license so now i'm an occasional driver on the lude which makes it kinda cheaper, but not much.
and your posts are improving! i actually see punctuation besides ?!?!?! and #@%#@%#$^$#!@^# :D
Lude_Behaviour
02-14-2002, 12:14 PM
for example if your mom was insured under both the lude and corolla and you're the only other driver, then you would have to be insured under one of those cars. if you had another driver in the house like your dad and he wasn't under another car, then you could have him under the lude and you as an occasional on the cars. so basically if you have 2 cars and 2 people, you're under one of them no matter what. if you have 3 people and 2 cars then you don't have to be the primary driver for either.
A little creativity is in order!!! When the broker asks your mom if there are any other licensced drivers in the household tell her to say no. I have never ever heard of any insurance company rufuing to insure 2 cars under the same name with 1 principal driver. Just change the address on your licence to a relatives house so that you butt is safe if anything should happen. If cops pull you over just say your borrowing your moms car.
I know of alot of people who are doing this. If you would like PM me and i'll give you the name and number of a few companies where this type of situation could be enacted. Vince is right some companies do have such a policy, but not many on which I have encountered.
Good luck
LudebOye
02-14-2002, 04:46 PM
Hey, Lude_Behaviour could u please hook me up with some numbers of insurance compnies that do that im willing to go that way. how much u think my mom will be paying for the lude? 150? per month because ill have to pay her insurance off too. lol just trying to save money as soon as im done paying off the car ill put insurance under my name. ;)
STEEEZ
02-14-2002, 09:05 PM
Originally posted by mito
Nothing wrong, I want to own a porn site. It's be call xxxpreludexxx.com and a spy camera will be mounted in selected members' cars. Anyway wow bill look how your typing has improved under scrutiny.:thumbup:
someone call milad, his name is being stolen by jen....:D
Luvs2Race
02-17-2002, 03:47 PM
Ok i can help u on this subject. I'm the closest to ur age i'm 19 and i own a 1992 SR. Ur gonna need to make at least 600 a month to get by. u might need to get a new job 1200 a month full time is garbage. I make 1500 after tax and i only work at most 30 hours a week. For me to be able to keep my car i have to make at least 500 a month. Thats 300 for insurance 100 bucks for gas and 100 a month on the side for repairs. The other part of my paycheck goes towards school/mods/clothes/investment. Its gonna be hard to keep a car and go to school at the same time. I havd this car for about a year now(got it when i was 18). I was a full time highschool studen and working. All i have to say is always have at least 1000 in ur account incase something goes wrong. If i had to do it over again i would have waited to get my car this year beacuse i could have gotten an SRV which is better. One thing i suggest is do not take a loan ur only 17-18 you don't need a debt at the age. I also suggest save up enguht money to pay off your car and one year insurance in one shot. If u have any other question just ask.
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