Formal introduction to the club

[mikejstein]

Hey all! I've met some of you at gir, but for all others I'm Mike Steinbock. I have a 2007 Civic Si Sedan. Modifications are: SS brake lines, Hawk brake pads (blue for track, hps for the street), and Continental ContiSport Contact 2's for the summer tires.

Here are some pictures, i am wearing the kappa sigma shirt and the other guy is my brother with his mazdaspeed 3 (i'm still working on getting him out to the track). sorry for the poor picture quality

[dcverno48]

Welcome! want to trade your 4door for my ep3? :D

[Alikat]

welcome Bob! Nice to talk to ya again at the track this past weekend!

[mstewar]

who is bob? this is mike! :)

welcome, officially!

[mikejstein]

too many mikes around here anyway...

next time i'll have a better name :)

[Jay Z.]

Sup dude, and welcome officially.

[Keith]

Is it Mike or Michael? :scratch:

Looks like you started to address the weakness in the Civic's brakes... What kind of SS lines did you put in? Hard to install? What fluid are you using? Can you swap in different set of calipers from another Honda/Acura?

Keith

[mstewar]

TL calipers will fit, that is all that I know of though..

[Keith]

TL calipers will fit, that is all that I know of though..
Really? Then I suggest getting TL Type-S calipers!

http://www.s248849158.websitehome.co.uk/Data/210708/1394middlemagregs_thisnthat/FDCIM120SSCAMs426.jpg

Keith

[Truckload]

welcome Bob! Nice to talk to ya again at the track this past weekend!

Are you still trying to change his name... Leave it Mike... it's easy to remember... as a matter of fact, I'm going to start calling everyone Mike.

[Alikat]

HE said he was changing his name to make it more difficult for us....not me! So I call him Bob.

[mikejstein]

i can pick a new name every time there's an event if that would be easier... honestly, i go by either mike or michael. doesn't matter.

besides looks, what are the gains with the TL calipers? The brake lines were rediculously easy. I have the Goodrich lines straight from tirerack, and i'm using ATE Superblue fluid. although, my next flush will be with a different fluid (I forgot the name... it's a motorcycle brand that has a much higher temp rating). what brake fluid are you using?

[Keith]

Most of us are usng Valvoline Syntec brake fluid since it has a boiling point of 500 F which works just fine considering it's only like $7 a quart. The downside is that it doesn't have a very long shelf life.

TL Type-S calipers are made by Brembo and are 4 piston opposed to the factory 1 piston per caliper.

Keith

[Jay Z.]

TL Type-S calipers are made by Brembo and are 4 piston opposed to the factory 1 piston per caliper.

Keith

Yeap exactly was going to say the same thing. Huge benefit to run them.

[mikejstein]

is that a wet or dry boiling temperature? check out the table here:
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=159647&highlight=brake+fluid+boiling+point

It's an old table with some old data, but for the most part it is right to my knowledge. Earlier I was talking about the Motul 600. I think I'll probably be using that after I run out of ATE Superblue.

I'll look into the Type-S calipers :)

[Truckload]

I have run the ATE, BMW OEM and Motul 600.... The ATE had no fade at all and held solid this whole weekend under some fairly heavy braking. I also like that it's available in two different colors, blue and amber. This helps ensure that you have cleared the previous fluid completely.

[mstewar]

not sure how different the mounting of the TL-S calipers are from the normal TL.. the TL base is what I know will fit..

even those have an advantage if that's all that will fit.. bigger caliper, bigger pad, etc..

[Keith]

not sure how different the mounting of the TL-S calipers are from the normal TL.. the TL base is what I know will fit..

even those have an advantage if that's all that will fit.. bigger caliper, bigger pad, etc..
I believe they use the same mounting holes but not sure if they require Type-S rotors as well. Double check first Michael!

Keith

[Jacques]

Welcome to the board, Mike/Michael. :)

[dubbs]

Welcome to HAC!

[mikejstein]

I'll look into the brakes at winter break. I am interested in moving the stock fronts to the rear, and the type-s setup in front. but i'm in no rush. thanks guys

[mstewar]

you could probably leave the rears alone.. they don't do that much work and really wouldn't need an upgrade..

[mikejstein]

My worry is that I will have too much of a front bias for the track. I would like to always run hawk hps pads in the rear because they last so long, and I don't want to change them out for the track (laziness). With larger rotors and better calipers up front that would exaggerate this problem even more.

going into turn 2 at gir seemed a bit squirrelly if i was traveling anything but straight. i know this should be the case, but even a very, very slight turn seemed this way. I was wondering if a heavy bias in the front would cause this. what do you all think?

[Keith]

My worry is that I will have too much of a front bias for the track. I would like to always run hawk hps pads in the rear because they last so long, and I don't want to change them out for the track (laziness). With larger rotors and better calipers up front that would exaggerate this problem even more.

going into turn 2 at gir seemed a bit squirrelly if i was traveling anything but straight. i know this should be the case, but even a very, very slight turn seemed this way. I was wondering if a heavy bias in the front would cause this. what do you all think?
I think it's time to lower your car. :)

Keith

[mstewar]

heavy bias in the front could exacerbate the braking stability some, but there are other factors that can either be causing it right now or clear it up without increasing the rear brake size..

is your suspension OEM? the sudden weight shift to the front under braking would hurt the stability..

what kind of alignment does it have? the camber and toe settings in the rear can help or hurt depending on what they are..